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TALIBAN PROPAGANDA WATCH: Alleged Talks with Taliban Firing Alright, Alleged Talks – STOP!

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Let’s Take a Deep Breath before we put too much faith in the latest reports of talks between the Taliban and the United states….

Here’s why I warned you to take a deep breath before believing all the latest rumblings – from a Pakistani media outlet:

During the talks, the representatives of the US and the Karzai regime had their own preconditions, the most important being that the Taliban militia should accept Afghanistan’s new constitution and join the political mainstream under the existing system of governance.

The Americans also wanted the Ameer of the Afghhan Taliban Mullah Mohammad Omar to ditch Al-Qaeda and help arrest Osama bin Laden. The talks eventually failed due to the obstinacy of the Taliban representatives who wanted the withdrawal of the US-led allied forces from Afghanistan before initiating a formal dialogue with the US and the Karzai administration.

The sources?  Unnamed Pakistani Foreign Office sources and “well informed diplomatic circles in Islamabad”.

Move on folks, nothing to see here.

TALIBAN PROPAGANDA WATCH: Let’s Take a Deep Breath….

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…. before we put too much faith in the latest reports of talks between the Taliban and the United states – the latest from Pakistani media, and those who watch Middle Eastern media:

An Afghan source in Kabul reports that U.S. Ambassador in Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry is holding secret talks with Taliban elements headed by the movement’s foreign minister, Ahmad Mutawakil, at a secret location in Kabul. According to the source, the U.S. has offered the Taliban control of the Kandahar, Helmand, Oruzgan, Kunar and Nuristan provinces in return for a halt to the Taliban missile attacks on U.S. bases. (Al-Watan (Saudi Arabia), 22 Nov 09, via MEMRI blog)

The Obama administration may be close to reversing course on its current strategy in Afghanistan, after DawnNews quoted sources as saying that high-level talks with senior Taliban militants are currently underway.  The indirect talks involve officials from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Britain, and top Afghan Taliban leadership, including the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen Chief and the son-in-law of Osama Bin Laden’s former mentor. (23 Nov 09, DAWN.com)

The US-Taliban talks have been in progress for the last six months, sources said Monday.  Pakistan is also part of these talks, the sources added.  The Afghan Taliban have adopted a stance that they would only be able to guarantee peace in Afghanistan if the US undertakes complete pull out of its forces from the war-torn country.  According to Taliban sources, there is expectation of a positive outcome from the ongoing talks. (23 Nov 09, The News)

Hmmm, letting the Taliban run the show in some provinces in exchange for a break.  Where have we read that before?

The emboldened Taliban movement in Afghanistan turned down an American offer of power-sharing in exchange for accepting the presence of foreign troops, Afghan government sources confirmed.  “US negotiators had offered the Taliban leadership through Mullah Wakil Ahmed Mutawakkil (former Taliban foreign minister) that if they accept the presence of NATO troops in Afghanistan, they would be given the governorship of six provinces in the south and northeast,” a senior Afghan Foreign Ministry official told IslamOnline.net requesting anonymity for not being authorized to talk about the sensitive issue with the media. (2 Nov 09, islamonline.net)

And what did the Taliban say the other times “secret talks” have been mentioned?

“There are some people who are conveying each others’ (Taliban and US) messages. But there were no direct talks between us and America.”

“If you wait for 3000 years, our stand is the same that Taliban will never hold talks in presence of invader forces in Afghanistan.”

I’m going to bet my loony on more of the same coming from the Taliban Info-machine on this latest set of (alleged) talks.

 

TALIBAN PROPAGANDA WATCH: AFG Taliban Spokesperson Admits Indirect Talks with West

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Buried in this islamonline.net piece on alleged deals being offered back and forth between Taliban intermediaries and the U.S. (PDF offered here in case link doesn’t work), this tidbit jumps out at me:

A Taliban spokesman admitted indirect talks with the US.  “Yes, there were some indirect talks, but they did not work,” Yousaf Ahmedi, the Taliban spokesman in southern Afghanistan, told IOL from an unknown location via satellite phone.  “There are some people who are conveying each others’ (Taliban and US) messages. But there were no direct talks between us and America,” he explained.

This would be the article is talking about.

For the record, the last time such alleged talks-through-intermediaries were covered by mainstream media, Quari’s colleague denied they were happening.

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